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nemo-mbridge-perf-parallelism-strategies
Operational guide for choosing and combining parallelism strategies in Megatron Bridge, including sizing rules, hardware topology mapping, and combined parallelism configuration.
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SKILL.md
Parallelism Strategy Selection Skill
For stable background on each parallelism type, see:
- @docs/parallelisms.md
- @skills/nemo-mbridge-perf-parallelism-strategies/card.yaml
Decision by Model Size
Dense models
| Model size | GPUs | Recommended starting point |
|---|---|---|
| < 1B | 1-8 | DP only |
| 1-10B | 8-16 | TP=2-4 + DP |
| 10-70B | 16-64 | TP=4-8 + PP=2-4 + DP |
| 70-175B | 64-256 | TP=8 + PP=4-8 + DP |
| 175-500B | 256-1024 | TP=8 + PP=8-16 + CP=2 + DP |
MoE models
MoE parallelism differs from dense models. Because only a fraction of parameters are active per token, TP can often stay at 1 or 2 — the active parameter shard already fits on a single GPU. EP is the primary scaling dimension, with PP handling cross-node layer distribution.
| Model (total / active) | TP | PP | EP | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| OLMoE 7B / 1B | 1 | 1 | 8 | EP only, fits single node |
| Moonlight 16B / 3B | 2 | 1 | 8 | small TP for shared layers |
| DeepSeek-V2 236B / 21B | 1 | 4 | 32 | no TP at all |
| GLM-4.5 Air 106B / 12B | 1 | 4 | 8 | no TP at all |
| Qwen3 30B-A3B | 4 | 2 | 4 | |
| GLM-4.5 355B / 32B | 2 | 8 | 16 | |
| Qwen3 235B-A22B | 4 | 16 | 8 | CP=2 for pretrain |
| DeepSeek-V3 671B / 37B | 2 | 16 | 64 | TP=2, not 8 |
| Kimi-K2 1T | 2 | 16 | 32 |
Key patterns:
- TP is sized by active params, not total params. A 671B MoE with
37B active needs far less TP than a 70B dense model.
- EP scales with expert count. Common: EP = num_experts or
numexperts / expertsper_gpu.
- PP handles depth. Large MoE models use PP=8-16 across nodes.
- ETP (expert tensor parallelism) is rarely used. Llama 4 is an
exception (ETP=4).
These are starting points, not hard rules. Always profile the first iteration to verify memory and communication.
Decision by Hardware Topology
Single node with NVLink:
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 8
Multiple nodes with InfiniBand:
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 8
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = N
Limited network (Ethernet):
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 4
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = M
The stable rule is: keep TP within a single NVLink domain. Use PP or DP for cross-node scaling. TP across nodes is almost always a performance loss.
Decision by Sequence Length
| Sequence length | Recommendation |
|---|---|
| < 2K | standard TP + PP + DP |
| 2K-8K | add SP (sequence_parallel=True) |
| 8K-32K | add CP=2 |
| 32K+ | add CP=4-8, consider a2a+p2p for large CP |
Combined Parallelism Enablement
3D parallelism (TP + PP + DP):
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 4
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = 4
cfg.model.sequence_parallel = True
4D parallelism (TP + PP + CP + DP):
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 8
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = 8
cfg.model.context_parallel_size = 2
cfg.model.sequence_parallel = True
MoE with EP + PP (e.g. DeepSeek-V2 236B on 128 GPUs):
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 1
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = 4
cfg.model.expert_model_parallel_size = 32
cfg.model.sequence_parallel = False
MoE with small TP + PP + EP (e.g. DeepSeek-V3 671B on 256 GPUs):
cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 2
cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = 16
cfg.model.expert_model_parallel_size = 64
cfg.model.sequence_parallel = True
DP size is always implicit:
data_parallel_size = world_size / (TP * PP * CP) # dense path
expert_data_parallel_size = world_size / (PP * EP * ETP) # MoE path
Minimum GPU Count
The minimum GPUs needed to run a config (i.e. with DP=1, EDP=1) is not the product of all parallelism dimensions. The dense path uses a TPCP-mesh and the MoE path uses an EPETP-mesh, and within each PP stage these two meshes share the same set of GPUs — they overlap, they don't multiply. Only PP stages multiply (they're disjoint slices of the model). So:
min_gpus = PP * max(TP * CP, EP * ETP)
Common simplification (WRONG): PP TP CP EP ETP. This over-allocates GPUs and shows up in many READMEs and slurm sizing tables. Don't propagate it.
The decoupling of attention and MoE parallelism (different mesh shapes for the dense and expert paths sharing the same PP-stage GPUs) is detailed in Pangu Ultra MoE (arXiv:2504.14960).
Examples
| Config | Wrong (PP·TP·CP·EP·ETP) | Correct (PP·max(TP·CP, EP·ETP)) |
|---|---|---|
| PP=1, TP=2, CP=1, EP=8, ETP=1 | 16 | 8 (1 node) |
| PP=1, TP=4, CP=1, EP=8, ETP=1 | 32 | 8 (max(4, 8)) |
| PP=1, TP=2, CP=2, EP=8, ETP=1 | 32 | 8 (max(4, 8)) |
| PP=1, TP=2, CP=4, EP=8, ETP=1 | 64 | 8 (max(8, 8)) |
| PP=2, TP=2, CP=1, EP=8, ETP=1 | 32 | 16 (2 · max(2, 8)) |
| PP=1, TP=2, CP=1, EP=4, ETP=2 | 16 | 8 (max(2, 8)) |
Scaling above the minimum
Adding GPUs scales DP and/or EDP (the worldsize must satisfy both equations simultaneously). At mingpus the larger-mesh side has DP (or EDP) = 1 and the smaller side absorbs the slack.
Example — TP=2, CP=1, EP=8, ETP=1, PP=1:
- 8 GPUs (
min_gpus): denseDP = 8/2 = 4, MoEEDP = 8/8 = 1 - 16 GPUs: dense
DP = 8, MoEEDP = 2→ 2× global batch - 32 GPUs: dense
DP = 16, MoEEDP = 4→ 4× global batch
When sizing slurm scripts, compute --nodes from min_gpus (or a multiple of it for higher throughput via DP/EDP).
When answering MoE sizing prompts, include this checklist:
- compute
min_gpus = PP max(TP CP, EP * ETP)with the requested values - explicitly reject the wrong
PP TP CP EP ETPfull product - give both DP formulas: dense
world_size / (TP PP CP)and MoE
world_size / (PP EP ETP)
- mention TP topology, SP, CP divisibility, and long-sequence CP guidance
Memory Estimation
Without parallelism (70B model, FP16):
parameters: 140 GB
gradients: 140 GB
optimizer states: 280 GB (Adam)
activations: 48 GB (batch=1, seq=4K)
total: 608 GB
With TP=4, PP=4, DP=4 (64 GPUs):
parameters: 8.75 GB per GPU
gradients: 8.75 GB per GPU
optimizer states: 17.50 GB per GPU
activations: 3.00 GB per GPU
total: ~38 GB per GPU
Code Anchors
Parallelism dimensions set in model provider:
```66:81:docs/parallelisms.md modelconfig = GPTModelProvider( tensormodelparallelsize=2, # ... other model parameters )
DP size calculation:
```424:436:docs/parallelisms.md
data_parallel_size = world_size / (tensor_model_parallel_size × pipeline_model_parallel_size × context_parallel_size)
Bridge initialization wires parallelism into process groups:
```618:628:src/megatron/bridge/training/initialize.py parallelstate.initializemodelparallel( tensormodelparallelsize=modelconfig.tensormodelparallelsize, pipelinemodelparallelsize=modelconfig.pipelinemodelparallelsize, ... contextparallelsize=modelconfig.contextparallelsize, hierarchicalcontextparallelsizes=modelconfig.hierarchicalcontextparallelsizes, expertmodelparallelsize=modelconfig.expertmodelparallelsize, ... )
## Pitfalls
1. TP across nodes destroys throughput. Always keep TP within a single
NVLink domain.
2. PP without interleaving has large pipeline bubbles. Use
`virtual_pipeline_model_parallel_size` when possible.
3. SP requires `tensor_model_parallel_size > 1`. Enabling SP alone
without TP is a config error.
4. CP requires `seq_length % (2 * context_parallel_size) == 0`.
5. EP is only for MoE models. Setting `expert_model_parallel_size` on a
dense model is a no-op or error.
6. The model-size-to-parallelism table above is a starting heuristic.
Always profile the first iteration to check memory and communication.
7. `CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS` and related env vars interact with
overlap settings. See @skills/nemo-mbridge-perf-tp-dp-comm-overlap/SKILL.md.
8. The minimum GPU count for an MoE config is `PP * max(TP*CP, EP*ETP)`,
not the product of all dimensions. The dense `TP*CP`-mesh and MoE
`EP*ETP`-mesh share the same GPUs in each PP stage. See
"Minimum GPU Count" section above.
## Verification
Quick sanity check that combined parallelism initializes correctly using
the smallest available recipe with overridden parallelism:
CUDAVISIBLEDEVICES=0,1,2,3 uv run python -m torch.distributed.run --nprocpernode=4 \ scripts/training/runrecipe.py \ --recipe llama321bpretrainconfig \ model.tensormodelparallelsize=2 \ model.pipelinemodelparallelsize=2 \ model.sequenceparallel=True \ train.trainiters=3 train.globalbatchsize=8 train.microbatchsize=1 \ scheduler.lrwarmupiters=0 \ validation.evaliters=0 validation.evalinterval=0 \ checkpoint.saveinterval=0 \ logger.loginterval=1
Success criteria:
- exit code 0
- finite loss at iteration 3 (e.g. `lm loss: 1.003808E+01`)
- log shows TP=2 PP=2 DP=1 layout with 4 ranks